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Kim Kardashian West And Alec Baldwin Stumbled Through A Talk About Caitlyn Jenner

Kardashian West appeared on Baldwin’s new ABC talk show to talk about her marriage, criminal justice reform, her reality show, and more.

Last updated on October 23, 2018, at 1:28 a.m. ET

Posted on October 22, 2018, at 10:29 p.m. ET

Heidi Gutman / ABC

On Sunday night, Kim Kardashian West appeared on The Alec Baldwin Show to talk about her marriage to Kanye West, her commitment to criminal justice reform, and her reality show. However, it was the topic of Caitlyn Jenner that proved the most difficult for the pair to navigate.

As highlighted in the trailer for the episode, both Kardashian West and Baldwin referred to Jenner as “Bruce,” her pre-transition name — which transgender individuals refer to as a “dead name." Over the course of the interview, they used the wrong pronouns more than two dozen times.

An example is when Baldwin talked about when he met Jenner, “there wasn’t a drop of Caitlyn in him when I knew him,” to which Kardashian West nodded in agreement and said, “not a drop.”

Definitely an interesting conversation ahead on #TheAlecBaldwinShow tonight at 10|9c on ABC with @KimKardashian!

Via Twitter: @AlecBaldwinShow

This did not sit well with viewers because almost always, even when talking about a transgender individual in the past tense, one should use their current name and pronouns.

ABC’s running a promo of the Alec Baldwin show where he & Kim K laugh at and misgender Caitlyn, so I hope they get lice!!!!

Via Twitter: @TimJBarber

kim deadnamed caitlyn jenner in this tv ad for the alec baldwin show,,,

Via Twitter: @georgeinthepark

I know I didnt just hear Kim Kardashian deadname Caitlyn Jenner in the commercial preview of the Alec Baldwin show.

Via Twitter: @marxistboi666

Kardashian West and Baldwin failed to do this. At another point during the interview, after Kardashian West said she walked in on Jenner in a dress years ago, Baldwin asked if she later went to “discuss it with him-slash-her.”

The Kardashians have had a long road navigating Jenner’s transition as a family and have had slip-ups in the past with pronouns and deadnaming before, which were forgiven by Jenner. However, the insensitive phrasing was even more notable on Sunday coming off the news that the Trump administration may attempt to erase transgender identity — a move that Jenner, a former Trump supporter, is already protesting.

Via Twitter: @Caitlyn_Jenner

BuzzFeed News has reached out to representatives for Jenner, Kardashian, and Baldwin for comment.

A BuzzFeed News investigation, in partnership with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, based on thousands of documents the government didn't want you to see.