Ammon Bundy, the former Nevada rancher who twice led an armed standoff against federal agents and twice avoided a prison sentence, told BuzzFeed News he is prepared to launch another armed confrontation with the government if he feels it is necessary.
Bundy, the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, led the 40-day occupation of an Oregon wildlife refuge in 2016 and helped organize the 2014 armed Nevada standoff against federal agents. Earlier this month, a federal judge threw out the case against the family, citing misconduct by the FBI and prosecutors who failed to share evidence with defense attorneys.
Despite spending two years behind bars awaiting the outcome of criminal trials for the armed standoffs, the Bundy family remained undeterred in their feud with the federal government, one that has gained thousands of supporters in the West.
"I'm not going to run from something like that, but then again, I never was looking for it," Bundy, 42, said Wednesday in a phone interview. "But if it is necessary again to limit and bring awareness to what our form of government is doing — and our governments in general are doing it — I think I would have to consider it again."
Bundy said he didn't know what might prompt such action, but "I hope I don't find out."
"I see myself defending my rights, defending my neighbor's rights and standing up for injustices, but I don't see myself going out and picking a fight," he said. "I hope I don't have to."
Bundy and his followers have argued the US government, which owns about half of the land in 11 western states, does not have the authority to manage large swaths of territory. The family's victories in court, experts said, have made them the face of the western lands movement and threatens to invigorate opposition to the federal government.
Western ranchers, politicians, and states' rights advocates have long sought local control of public land and opposed the expansion of national protections. The Bundy clan, however, has also drawn support from militias and radical anti-government groups. The Anti-Defamation League, which tracks extremist groups, has called Bundy and his supporters "extremists."
Bundy, now free and back home in Emmett, Idaho, said he plans to continue the fight over public lands. That fight, he said, could lead him to take part in yet another armed standoff, or perhaps seek public office.
"I would love to just go back and build my business up again and take care of my children, but man has never been able to do that. For some reason this mortal world has always been designed to make struggle," Bundy said. "If man doesn't stand, history proves that liberty is taken, and that man is not really happy."
The family's feud with the federal government has spanned more than two decades after Cliven Bundy refused to pay grazing fees for cattle on his Nevada ranch. The fees eventually amounted to more than $1 million and the Bureau of Land Management began to seize the family's cattle in 2014.
Armed agents were deployed to the area after allegedly receiving threats from Bundy family members and their supporters, who in turn called on the support of not just the public but members of organized militia groups who flocked to Bunkerville, Nevada, armed in a tense standoff.
Federal agents would eventually back down in the Nevada standoff and, hoping to duplicate what many saw as a victory, Ammon Bundy and several supporters headed to Oregon in 2016 to lead a standoff protesting the federal control of public land.
Federal charges were also filed in the Oregon case and several supporters agreed to plead guilty, but leaders of the standoffs would walk away from both cases in what would turn out to be embarrassing defeats for federal prosecutors.
As the Nevada case made its way through court last year, it became apparent prosecutors and law enforcement officials had not been turning over key evidence to defense attorneys. Part of that evidence included video surveillance, the deployment of FBI snipers, and a threat assessment made by federal officials. The violations, the judge found, were severe enough to merit throwing out the case entirely.
For those supporting the Bundy clan, the prosecution's misdeeds seemed to be proof of Bundy's claims against the government.
Though drastic, Ammon Bundy defended the decision to launch armed confrontations with the government in both Nevada and Oregon, arguing that doing so brought national attention to the fight over public lands and highlighted the actions of federal officials.
"Our families suffered, but we had to do something," Bundy said. "I thought we did the right thing."
Bundy said it was not the only action he would consider in the future, and suggested a change of strategy, one that veers away from armed confrontations and toward public office.
"I would go for for a position that could make a difference," Bundy said, adding he would consider running for sheriff or governor on a platform advocating for states' rights. "Until the state comes in and says you can't control 50, 60, 70% of the land, until they do this, the people are not really safe from the federal government."
But whether he decides to run or not, Bundy maintains a skepticism of not just the federal government, but politics in general.
"I don't really care to jump into a pit of snakes," he said. "I wouldn't be heartbroken one way or another if I was elected or not."
For the moment, Bundy is focused on spending time with his family and rebuilding his truck maintenance business, which has struggled in recent years.
"The only reason it would be something to do is because these issues have to be addressed, they have to be handled," Bundy said. "Maybe nobody else is willing to do it, take the risk."
The possibility of another confrontation, however, remains open.
Even under the current Trump administration, which is considering slashing the size of national monuments and federally controlled land across the country, Bundy remains skeptical of the federal government.
"The Trump administration wants to be kind masters when the Obama administration wasn't so kind, but they still want to be masters," he said. "I guess if they're going to be masters I would take the kind one, but I don't think that's how this nation was built."
While the Bundy family has escaped conviction in criminal trials in both Oregon and Nevada, the fate of the family's ranch remains in limbo. Ammon Bundy maintains the federal government has no jurisdiction over his father's land, and Cliven has no plans to repay the more than $1 million in fees owed.
"The BLM has no right to be on our range," he said. "My opinion — and this is just my opinion — I don't think we'll hear much from them in my dad's lifetime."
Officials with the Bureau of Land Management did not return a BuzzFeed News request for comment on whether they will attempt to collect grazing fees for the ranch.
In the meantime, Bundy plans to continue the fight over public land, one way or another.
"What kind of future do you think we're giving our children?" he said. "We have to win. We have to."